Posts by Julia Orwell

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What to be for Holloween

by Found Sheep in

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two years ago i was an angel, last year a cat.

i am working that day so i need to be "modest".

yes they let us dress up it's kind of fun.

Julia Orwell

Be something really scary! Rock up to the trick-or-treatee's door dressed as a JW and offer WT and Awake, then say, "Kidding!! Trick or treat!?!!"

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posting about the wonderful preaching day on fb... posting about what they ate for lunch, snacks, dinner after preaching... posting about rubbing elbows with the co, do, etc... posting about getting into pioneer school... swooning over the latest gadgets, right after the meeting... being obsessed about what clothes to wear during the assemblies.... etc.. etc... being proud of having an sp, bethelite, etc relative... being unable to take pride in academic, secular, or other normal achievements leads to the above, i guess.. and it's not at all different from how "worldly" people behave these days... .

Julia Orwell

" You see, so called Christians and that includes weaker JWs, seek to boast in selfish ways. "

Good to see you're such a loving and understanding Christian person, buddy.

Back to the topic, I'd say JWs are no different to normal people who brag about their kids, their houses, their work, and all that other stuff. And face it, JWs don't have much to actually be proud of because they're not encouraged to achieve anything or help anyone except in their cult and for their cult. It's not like they can produce some work of art, literature, research, or other legacy and go, "Yep, I did that. It was hard work, but I'm happy with the result." So they have to brag about little things.

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Donations aren't coming in from Western Countries: more confirmation

by Julia Orwell in

in talking to sparky the elder today (http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/263862/1/an-elder-called-me-hes-waking-up-and-knew-id-understand-nice-for-him-to-have-a-friend) i found out he did the accounts for our congregation for years.

he said very rarely did the congregation meet its expenses without some well-off brother chipping in a few grand here and there.

the elders would also make up the shortfall.

Julia Orwell

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The $7.00 per publisher per month is to cover literature expenses only?

Or the $7.00 includes power, water, insurance AND literature?"

That's just the power, water, council rates and property. The literature is separate all together.

" Even if George Orwell, oops I mean Julia posts truthfully, than this elder is basically a Judas or well on his way to becoming one. Even if what Ms.Orwell states is true, the organization's longevity is a testament to Jehovah's blessing. Just another example within a long list of circumstances that God miraculously provided for His people."

And what of Orwell? How do you know I'm not distantly related to him and have taken his pen name to honour my great uncle? How do you know my real last name in the real world is not Blair? And Blair to Orwell- it's a short jump. I happen to be a great admirer of George Orwell, and chose my name in his honour, like someone else might choose Dickens. What I state is true. It is what I was told. And if the org's longevity is testament to J's blessing, then the Catholic church is far more blessed as it is longer living and better provided for.

How many of George Orwell's books and essays have you read, if any?

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An elder called me...he's waking up and knew I'd understand...nice for him to have a friend!

by Julia Orwell in

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here's a bit of back story on my dealings with this nice man, who i will call sparky:.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/248936/1/an-elder-called-me#.uk4ykiami6m.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/249982/1/getting-serious-for-julia#.uk4zd4ami6m.

Julia Orwell

Thanks :)

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An elder called me...he's waking up and knew I'd understand...nice for him to have a friend!

by Julia Orwell in

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friends

here's a bit of back story on my dealings with this nice man, who i will call sparky:.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/248936/1/an-elder-called-me#.uk4ykiami6m.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/249982/1/getting-serious-for-julia#.uk4zd4ami6m.

Julia Orwell

Sparky also told me that the congregations here aren't meeting their expenses from donations. I said, "Wow I would have thought Jehovah would provide if the org is His people!"

And he said, "He is providing! He provided the billion dollars from the sale of Brooklyn!"

I likened that to hocking stuff to pay the rent, which it is...

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Donations aren't coming in from Western Countries: more confirmation

by Julia Orwell in

in talking to sparky the elder today (http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/263862/1/an-elder-called-me-hes-waking-up-and-knew-id-understand-nice-for-him-to-have-a-friend) i found out he did the accounts for our congregation for years.

he said very rarely did the congregation meet its expenses without some well-off brother chipping in a few grand here and there.

the elders would also make up the shortfall.

Julia Orwell

In talking to Sparky the elder today (http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/263862/1/An-elder-called-me-hes-waking-up-and-knew-Id-understand-nice-for-him-to-have-a-friend) I found out he did the accounts for our congregation for years. He said very rarely did the congregation meet its expenses without some well-off brother chipping in a few grand here and there. The elders would also make up the shortfall. The congregation never receives enough contributions for the magazines either. He said it would cost the congregation $7 per publisher per month, but they never got that equivalent amount. I mentioned about the selling of the Brooklyn properties, and likened it to having to hock your guitar to pay the rent.

So here's another elder telling me the org is unable to cover expenses. Thought it was interesting. How many elders are out there who don't tell you? All of them must know the WT is becoming poor.

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An elder called me...he's waking up and knew I'd understand...nice for him to have a friend!

by Julia Orwell in

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friends

here's a bit of back story on my dealings with this nice man, who i will call sparky:.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/248936/1/an-elder-called-me#.uk4ykiami6m.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/249982/1/getting-serious-for-julia#.uk4zd4ami6m.

Julia Orwell

I really hope so. He's a great guy. Unfortunately though his wife and daughters are pretty uber. Sweet people, but right into it.

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Getting serious for Julia!!

by Julia Orwell in

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no, there's no jc scheduled for me, though i've heard from a friend on the boe that the inquisitor is about to get inquisited himself.

you will see who i mean in this thread: .

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/246766/1/julias-inquisition-two-elders-the-full-version-i-want-you-all-to-see-this.

Julia Orwell

Sparky's on the slow road to awakening. He's on the out with the BOE now, and because he stands up for what is right he's starting to see what hypocrites are on the BOE. He told me he was saying things to me he would not say to anyone else. I'm glad he's got a friend who will be there for him when he learns TTATT and starts the journey of shunning and emotional recovery.

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An elder called me...he's waking up and knew I'd understand...nice for him to have a friend!

by Julia Orwell in

jw
friends

here's a bit of back story on my dealings with this nice man, who i will call sparky:.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/248936/1/an-elder-called-me#.uk4ykiami6m.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/249982/1/getting-serious-for-julia#.uk4zd4ami6m.

Julia Orwell

Here's a bit of back story on my dealings with this nice man, who I will call Sparky:

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/248936/1/An-elder-called-me#.Uk4YKIami6M

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/249982/1/Getting-serious-for-Julia#.Uk4ZD4ami6M

It was very interesting to hear from 'Sparky' how vicious the congregation has been in their gossip about me...APOSTATE!!! He told me all the nuts and bolts of how he's been treated by the BOE and why. I told Sparky outright there were things I wouldn't say to him because he's an elder, and he said he'd choose my friendship over being an elder. We talked for nearly an hour.

Turns out I split the body of elders earlier this year: half were for disfellowshipping me, and he and two others were for leaving me alone. The others turned on those three, including the CO. Sparky had gone to the CO with genuine concern over how the elders had treated me, you know, concerned that because of some idiots a nice person had left 'Jehovah'. A sister about my age developed some sort of active grudge against Sparky and started slandering Sparky to anyone who'd listen (even me after I'd left when I ran into her one day at work) to the effect his children were allowed to leave school illegally, which was not true, and the elders sided with her and didn't believe Sparky. He told me he's '30 centimetres' from being stepped down as an elder, so please Julia, don't tell the elders I'm saying these things to you...

He is disillusioned at the pharisiac and boys' club attitude of many of the elders. He became an elder because he really wanted to help people, but now he sees the elders harming people rather than helping them. He sticks up for the little guy, which has caused the big guys to turn on him.

I told him how I've been shunned and slandered by over a decade's worth of friends. He was stunned.

I told him about the vicious comments I've received on Facebook. He was stunned.

I told him that the WT says Jesus is only the mediator for the 144000 whereas 2 Tim 2:5 says Jesus is mediator for all. He had to agree with the bible.

I told him of how my disabled JW friend and the active JW old lady with lung cancer who is shunned (not by me). He was stunned.

I raised some questions about the AGM and new light. I could hear his cognitive dissonnance ticking over.

He mentioned the last days and 1914, and I raised some historical facts about famines and diseases being much, much worse before the 20th C, and asked, "If you could live in any period in human history, which one would you choose?"

"Um...this one...I like this one..."

He told me I should go back to 'Jehovah', but in another congregation because our [his] one is horrible. I told him, saying, "I say this to Sparky the friend and not to Sparky the elder, they're hypocrites."

He agreed that there are many hypocrites, then trotted out 'human imperfection'.

And we spoke a lot as friends too, about family and holidays and that. I've not had that from a JW since I left, except for the one JW of the conscious class.

It was actually pretty exciting, because Sparky told me things he couldn't say to the JWs, even his pioneering wife and daughters. He needed a friend who would not judge him from the JW bench. He even mentioned how 'Snake' is nothing more than a collection of WT quotes, with no real understanding of Christianity. He said the CO is a 'boy' like although a man of about 43, he never grew up.

I hope I've given Sparky a lot to think about, and he's already thinking for sure. That's why he wanted to talk to me. It may take years, but I think Sparky is on his way to learning TTATT. He's going to 'serve where the need is great' overseas later this year, but I can tell he's got cognitive dissonnance. Let's make room here for Sparky one day!

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"The excitement is PALPABLE"

by Separation of Powers in

got caught at the supermarket (in between the martini olives and snack crackers ) with several bottles of hard liquor in my basket along with some red licorice by a sister that has known me for years.

still respects me, not knowing that i am in full fade mode, or at least not recognizably knowing.

anyway, when she sees me, her eyes get all big and she heads in my direction, nearly ramming my liquor laden cart with her vegan oriented basket.. "hey sop, how are you doing?

Julia Orwell

Volo you're a stirrer! I might try that myself.

Hey anyone know what time this meeting is on in Australia?